Comments on: the no frills story line of employment in sobriety http://aa-a-gogo.com/2006/06/28/the-no-frills-story-line-of-employment-in-sobriety/ Learn how to survive Alcoholics Anonymous and the Twelve Step program. Using my 16 years of sobriety, this blog will teach you (1) who will benefit from working the 12 steps program and (2, more inportantly) who will get RUINED by working the 12 steps! I will teach you How to succeed in the 12 step Fellowship. Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:54:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1.3 By: Harry A. http://aa-a-gogo.com/2006/06/28/the-no-frills-story-line-of-employment-in-sobriety/#comment-120 Harry A. Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:13:31 +0000 http://aa-a-gogo.com/2006/06/28/the-no-frills-story-line-of-employment-in-sobriety/#comment-120 I edited this posting to make it more readable. Well I hope it is anyway....... I edited this posting to make it more readable. Well I hope it is anyway…….

]]> By: B http://aa-a-gogo.com/2006/06/28/the-no-frills-story-line-of-employment-in-sobriety/#comment-149 B Sat, 16 Sep 2006 06:45:22 +0000 http://aa-a-gogo.com/2006/06/28/the-no-frills-story-line-of-employment-in-sobriety/#comment-149 hey Harry, I have Been Around the program for years. I feel that sence of Frustration that you have experienced, well because I beleive that most people in recovery feel,at times live is not that way we want it. Truth be told it is our desion to make each day a happy one W/GOD!- we all survive everything Human/Creatur. AA and inspiration can be Healing! Drinking is but a small problem, really the truth as I have Knoticed is that in seaking God, we also seak other avenous for help.Example Having no expections for one that has lots is good,not being reactive but calm and Quite , Collected.-moderation , everything with a grain of salt..let go. hey Harry, I have Been Around the program for years.
I feel that sence of Frustration that you have experienced, well because I beleive that most people in recovery feel,at times live is not that way we want it. Truth be told it is our desion to make each day a happy one W/GOD!- we all survive everything Human/Creatur. AA and inspiration can be Healing! Drinking is but a small problem, really the truth as I have Knoticed is that in seaking God, we also seak other avenous for help.Example Having no expections for one that has lots is good,not being reactive but calm and Quite , Collected.-moderation , everything with a grain of salt..let go.

]]> By: Harry http://aa-a-gogo.com/2006/06/28/the-no-frills-story-line-of-employment-in-sobriety/#comment-150 Harry Sun, 17 Sep 2006 19:07:58 +0000 http://aa-a-gogo.com/2006/06/28/the-no-frills-story-line-of-employment-in-sobriety/#comment-150 been there done that. It has been my 46 years of experience, inculuding the current 16 plus years of sobriety, that there is no proof that there is a god. Or if there is a god, no proof that he/she intervenes on our behave. I prospered and lived happily before sobriety until those last 2 or 3 years. Thats about 16 years of living that went from no so good to better to fucking this is great. During that period not only did I not beleive in God but I even broke most commandments without consequesce. In sobriety my life has been FUCKED - with a 5 years period of nonfucking (but still lonely) jamed in the middle. <i>Collected? Moderation? let go? </i> TRUST ME that is exactly what I have been doing. It is why I am in the hole I am in. My only hope if that learning I made this huge mistake at age 45 isnt TOO LATE. been there done that. It has been my 46 years of experience, inculuding the current 16 plus years of sobriety, that there is no proof that there is a god. Or if there is a god, no proof that he/she intervenes on our behave. I prospered and lived happily before sobriety until those last 2 or 3 years. Thats about 16 years of living that went from no so good to better to fucking this is great. During that period not only did I not beleive in God but I even broke most commandments without consequesce.

In sobriety my life has been FUCKED - with a 5 years period of nonfucking (but still lonely) jamed in the middle.

Collected? Moderation? let go?
TRUST ME that is exactly what I have been doing. It is why I am in the hole I am in. My only hope if that learning I made this huge mistake at age 45 isnt TOO LATE.

]]> By: BushSucksDonkeyBalls http://aa-a-gogo.com/2006/06/28/the-no-frills-story-line-of-employment-in-sobriety/#comment-154 BushSucksDonkeyBalls Wed, 27 Sep 2006 05:30:34 +0000 http://aa-a-gogo.com/2006/06/28/the-no-frills-story-line-of-employment-in-sobriety/#comment-154 Hey Harry, I just celebrated twenty years tonight, and I know what you're going through...... except that my story would make yours seem like a walk in a park with an few orgasms thrown in. AA will keep you sober, and says that the fear of financial insecurity will leave us. It doesn't say financial insecurity will leave us, just the fear of it. I don't have time right now to type out my whole story, it would take hours to anyway. But suffice it to say that I've been through a lot of shit. More than most people can even imagine. To tell you the truth, I'm not even supposed to be here. With everything that's happened to me, I should have committed suicide a hundred times over. My experiences without committing suicide defy Western medicine. I've had highly respected doctors tell me these things and others. If in sobriety you think that your life has been FUCKED - with a 5 year period of nonfucking (but still lonely) jamed in the middle, I'd say that my life has been FISTFUCKED with with no lube and repeated over and over and over, with a 15-year period of nonfucking (and still lonely). Don't get me wrong though... I'm not saying that to elicit sympathy from you or to try and top your bad experiences and what you've been through or say I don't care about you amd your experiences. That's not the point at all. It's just that, for me, without the program being there though, I probably would have ended it all a long time ago. I went through a long period where I was mad at the program too. But it was the people, not the program that failed me. I'm sorry you've had negative experience with AA. I know it's not supposed to be like this for us -- people with several years. But apparently for you and me, it is. Why? I don't know. At least not yet anyway. I've been trying to figure that one out for fifteen years now. But I know one thing: Things would be a lot worse for me if I was drinking. Preston P.S. I was born in and grew up in Orange County and went through that awful recession/depression out there in the early nineties too, trying to find work when none existed. It helped me to move to a different area though. I moved to the midwest about a year ago and things are a lot better here for me in many areas than they were for me in So Cal. I'm not saying they would be here for you too, just that sometimes moving to a different environment can work wonders. Hey Harry,

I just celebrated twenty years tonight, and I know what you’re going through…… except that my story would make yours seem like a walk in a park with an few orgasms thrown in.

AA will keep you sober, and says that the fear of financial insecurity will leave us. It doesn’t say financial insecurity will leave us, just the fear of it.

I don’t have time right now to type out my whole story, it would take hours to anyway. But suffice it to say that I’ve been through a lot of shit. More than most people can even imagine. To tell you the truth, I’m not even supposed to be here. With everything that’s happened to me, I should have committed suicide a hundred times over. My experiences without committing suicide defy Western medicine. I’ve had highly respected doctors tell me these things and others.

If in sobriety you think that your life has been FUCKED - with a 5 year period of nonfucking (but still lonely) jamed in the middle, I’d say that my life has been FISTFUCKED with with no lube and repeated over and over and over, with a 15-year period of nonfucking (and still lonely).

Don’t get me wrong though… I’m not saying that to elicit sympathy from you or to try and top your bad experiences and what you’ve been through or say I don’t care about you amd your experiences. That’s not the point at all.

It’s just that, for me, without the program being there though, I probably would have ended it all a long time ago.

I went through a long period where I was mad at the program too. But it was the people, not the program that failed me.

I’m sorry you’ve had negative experience with AA.

I know it’s not supposed to be like this for us — people with several years. But apparently for you and me, it is. Why? I don’t know. At least not yet anyway. I’ve been trying to figure that one out for fifteen years now.

But I know one thing: Things would be a lot worse for me if I was drinking.

Preston

P.S. I was born in and grew up in Orange County and went through that awful recession/depression out there in the early nineties too, trying to find work when none existed. It helped me to move to a different area though. I moved to the midwest about a year ago and things are a lot better here for me in many areas than they were for me in So Cal. I’m not saying they would be here for you too, just that sometimes moving to a different environment can work wonders.

]]> By: Harry http://aa-a-gogo.com/2006/06/28/the-no-frills-story-line-of-employment-in-sobriety/#comment-155 Harry Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:43:29 +0000 http://aa-a-gogo.com/2006/06/28/the-no-frills-story-line-of-employment-in-sobriety/#comment-155 welcome to my blog Preston and I thank you for sharing. yes, <i>"the people, not the program that failed "</i> ,the often heard warning "principles before personalities" comes to mind. Funny you should mention that. I am planning to make the next posting all about that famous escape clause of the fellowship. welcome to my blog Preston and I thank you for sharing. yes, “the people, not the program that failed “ ,the often heard warning “principles before personalities” comes to mind. Funny you should mention that. I am planning to make the next posting all about that famous escape clause of the fellowship.

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